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00:01:48,000 welcome I have a middle name do you 45 00:01:52,310 --> 00:01:50,340 actually yeah I actually don't know I 46 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:52,320 actually don't uh before I change my uh 47 00:01:56,270 --> 00:01:54,960 surname my surname was Nichols and my 48 00:01:57,530 --> 00:01:56,280 mom always told me that my middle name 49 00:02:00,429 --> 00:01:57,540 will be Aaron in which case it would 50 00:02:03,109 --> 00:02:00,439 have spelled Dan as my initials but now 51 00:02:05,929 --> 00:02:03,119 which is the detergent here in the UK so 52 00:02:08,029 --> 00:02:05,939 no not as good and officially the washed 53 00:02:10,790 --> 00:02:08,039 opening to one of these episodes yeah so 54 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:10,800 hi folks uh so apologies about that I 55 00:02:15,290 --> 00:02:12,720 know you know about Dan's real name um 56 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:15,300 so that's not a real name your other 57 00:02:19,790 --> 00:02:17,280 name 58 00:02:21,650 --> 00:02:19,800 and Dan's muted to himself and then 59 00:02:22,910 --> 00:02:21,660 tried to talk into the mic sorry I was 60 00:02:24,890 --> 00:02:22,920 muted it's been a while since I did that 61 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:24,900 I was just about to say again people 62 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:26,580 still ask for no Dan's not been on mute 63 00:02:29,690 --> 00:02:28,140 for a while so there you go but listen 64 00:02:31,010 --> 00:02:29,700 we've got a few things to discuss uh 65 00:02:33,110 --> 00:02:31,020 some comments that have been made in the 66 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:33,120 last week or so and I think are worth 67 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:34,980 going over definitely and what I'm going 68 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:36,959 to do given it's now as we record the 69 00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:39,360 8th of May is sticking the preview on 70 00:02:42,470 --> 00:02:40,560 the end to let you know some of the 71 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:42,480 guests coming up this month for anyone 72 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:44,040 who wants to send in any listener 73 00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:45,840 questions but I'll warn you that a 74 00:02:49,910 --> 00:02:47,040 couple of them are being recorded 75 00:02:52,250 --> 00:02:49,920 tomorrow so if you're hearing this on 76 00:02:53,809 --> 00:02:52,260 the 8th of May or early on the 9th get 77 00:02:56,390 --> 00:02:53,819 your questions over and thanks to 78 00:02:58,130 --> 00:02:56,400 everyone who has sent over stuff already 79 00:02:59,390 --> 00:02:58,140 um but that'll be at the end don't skip 80 00:03:00,229 --> 00:02:59,400 you're not allowed listen to the whole 81 00:03:01,369 --> 00:03:00,239 thing 82 00:03:04,729 --> 00:03:01,379 um and promise we'll get to talking 83 00:03:06,710 --> 00:03:04,739 about UFOs no uh Dan uh a few things 84 00:03:08,690 --> 00:03:06,720 first off for me Ross Coulter was on 85 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:08,700 witness citizen with Sean Rash a couple 86 00:03:11,690 --> 00:03:10,019 of days ago 87 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:11,700 um the big takeaway from that interview 88 00:03:18,589 --> 00:03:16,080 was Roscoe said in a statement 89 00:03:21,710 --> 00:03:18,599 there were as a team like now of months 90 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:21,720 and not years for big change in the UFO 91 00:03:25,790 --> 00:03:22,980 topic 92 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:25,800 um I've got the the line here pretty 93 00:03:29,630 --> 00:03:28,200 much paraphrasing slightly I was in a 94 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:29,640 few months time you'll be looking back 95 00:03:35,570 --> 00:03:32,640 going Orozco what you knew is going to 96 00:03:37,729 --> 00:03:35,580 resolve this issue once and for all so 97 00:03:40,070 --> 00:03:37,739 that's quite a big statement to make in 98 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:40,080 in a topic and subject whenever people 99 00:03:44,809 --> 00:03:42,420 make claims they can be quite spurious 100 00:03:46,550 --> 00:03:44,819 or vague and we'll mentioning agally 101 00:03:49,610 --> 00:03:46,560 stuff a little bit shortly later on for 102 00:03:52,130 --> 00:03:49,620 a reason but Ross has got a really big 103 00:03:53,630 --> 00:03:52,140 reputation a very serious reputation and 104 00:03:55,789 --> 00:03:53,640 he's got a lot of respect from many of 105 00:03:57,770 --> 00:03:55,799 us in the community as well 106 00:04:00,229 --> 00:03:57,780 um and for Ross to come out and say 107 00:04:03,170 --> 00:04:00,239 looking at months rather than years 108 00:04:05,390 --> 00:04:03,180 talking about whistleblowers uh that's 109 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:05,400 that's quite a big big thing for him to 110 00:04:08,869 --> 00:04:06,959 see he also said that whistleblowers are 111 00:04:11,449 --> 00:04:08,879 going directly to Congress and 112 00:04:12,890 --> 00:04:11,459 circumventing Dr Sean Kirkpatrick due to 113 00:04:14,449 --> 00:04:12,900 a lack of kind of trust within him as 114 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:14,459 well and what are your thoughts on some 115 00:04:18,530 --> 00:04:15,959 of those comments then 116 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:18,540 yeah it's interesting because Ross he 117 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:20,160 seems very busy and he's always talking 118 00:04:24,050 --> 00:04:22,079 to people and he's always happy to kind 119 00:04:26,030 --> 00:04:24,060 of you know hint to us kind of thing but 120 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:26,040 but you're right that timeline hasn't 121 00:04:29,330 --> 00:04:28,080 come into it before you know and it 122 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:29,340 seems like we're already seeing those 123 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:30,960 repercussions from the hearings where 124 00:04:33,770 --> 00:04:32,280 Kirkpatrick was a little more 125 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:33,780 conservative than some folk would like 126 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:36,900 and we we spoke about credible evidence 127 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:39,360 that statement and it certainly seems to 128 00:04:42,890 --> 00:04:40,800 have had an effect on people coming 129 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:42,900 forward there was a Fox News article 130 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:45,300 this week saying you know that there was 131 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:47,100 a service member that had seen an orb 132 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:49,320 that was reluctant to come forward for 133 00:04:52,430 --> 00:04:50,400 the for those reasons because 134 00:04:54,650 --> 00:04:52,440 Kirkpatrick was yeah very very 135 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:54,660 conservative and a lot of people think 136 00:04:59,450 --> 00:04:56,520 he was yeah not necessarily telling the 137 00:05:02,390 --> 00:04:59,460 truth but the the month timeline thing 138 00:05:04,969 --> 00:05:02,400 is interesting because I mean we've 139 00:05:06,590 --> 00:05:04,979 heard this before right and and there 140 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:06,600 are sometimes behind the scenes delays 141 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:09,300 and things like that so for us to come 142 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:10,620 out and kind of say yeah it's definitely 143 00:05:14,510 --> 00:05:12,840 going to be within months that's that's 144 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:14,520 real interesting you you got to wonder 145 00:05:17,510 --> 00:05:16,020 what we're gonna get in a few months you 146 00:05:19,070 --> 00:05:17,520 know like what what is that going to 147 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:19,080 look like is it gonna come as a 148 00:05:21,590 --> 00:05:20,580 statement from Kirkpatrick is it going 149 00:05:23,450 --> 00:05:21,600 to come as a statement from the US 150 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:23,460 government is it just going to be James 151 00:05:27,170 --> 00:05:25,380 foxer and his testimony that he's taken 152 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:27,180 with these whistleblowers 153 00:05:31,969 --> 00:05:29,639 um yeah it's It's Curious certainly that 154 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:31,979 classified system that was mandated by 155 00:05:36,430 --> 00:05:34,320 last year's ndaa hasn't been set up yet 156 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:36,440 and a few Senators have published 157 00:05:40,670 --> 00:05:39,000 letters to you know some of the the 158 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:40,680 bosses in the dod 159 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:42,120 I'm kind of saying that they need to 160 00:05:46,189 --> 00:05:44,580 hurry up and get this done 161 00:05:47,870 --> 00:05:46,199 um curious how people are talking about 162 00:05:50,090 --> 00:05:47,880 classified things outside of a skiff 163 00:05:52,010 --> 00:05:50,100 though for me so it's one of these 164 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:52,020 things that I take it seriously because 165 00:05:56,029 --> 00:05:54,060 Ross has said it but I'm gonna hold it 166 00:05:58,370 --> 00:05:56,039 lightly so that I don't get disappointed 167 00:06:01,129 --> 00:05:58,380 if there are delays you know yeah and I 168 00:06:02,990 --> 00:06:01,139 think Ross is a a big boy and has enough 169 00:06:04,969 --> 00:06:03,000 credibility in the bank as well that if 170 00:06:06,770 --> 00:06:04,979 if that doesn't come to fruition 171 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:06,780 I would take kind of stock and what he 172 00:06:10,070 --> 00:06:08,400 says as to why that would be and like 173 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:10,080 you say we've been here before with with 174 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:12,180 claims but someone like Ross coming out 175 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:14,520 who has my respect I won't speak for you 176 00:06:20,629 --> 00:06:17,340 about him I know I know he does I would 177 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:20,639 agree yeah um he he says that he means 178 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:21,840 that and there's reasons for him seeing 179 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:24,479 it as well and it does seem to correlate 180 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:26,520 with what others have said around that 181 00:06:30,170 --> 00:06:28,440 kind of Summer Time whistleblowers 182 00:06:31,730 --> 00:06:30,180 coming forward apparently whistleblowers 183 00:06:34,730 --> 00:06:31,740 as we're hearing 184 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:34,740 um have spoken to Congress and members 185 00:06:39,590 --> 00:06:37,020 of Congress already James Fox who will 186 00:06:41,870 --> 00:06:39,600 get to has said he has spoken to to 187 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:41,880 folks as well and it seems that there 188 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:45,120 are people speaking but not to Dr Sean 189 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:47,400 Kirkpatrick it seems like he's very much 190 00:06:50,990 --> 00:06:48,720 against using allergies like the 191 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:51,000 football manager whose team just isn't 192 00:06:53,809 --> 00:06:52,560 playing for him right now but as soon as 193 00:06:55,309 --> 00:06:53,819 someone else comes in he's going to get 194 00:06:56,629 --> 00:06:55,319 a tune out of them 195 00:06:58,670 --> 00:06:56,639 um they're just kind of down toes a 196 00:07:00,409 --> 00:06:58,680 little bit so it doesn't seem to me that 197 00:07:01,790 --> 00:07:00,419 he's going to have he's not he's not the 198 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:01,800 right person for us we heard this from 199 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:03,900 other people but the whole purpose of 200 00:07:08,809 --> 00:07:07,199 what he's doing as for those types of 201 00:07:10,909 --> 00:07:08,819 folks who want to come forward and talk 202 00:07:12,770 --> 00:07:10,919 should be able to go to him as a first 203 00:07:15,529 --> 00:07:12,780 point of contact and if they're already 204 00:07:17,510 --> 00:07:15,539 going past him then the position becomes 205 00:07:19,070 --> 00:07:17,520 a bit untenable I'll just add Chris 206 00:07:20,930 --> 00:07:19,080 plane who was on with me last week 207 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:20,940 talking about the Chicago O'Hare UFO 208 00:07:25,249 --> 00:07:22,919 he's the senior science writer at the 209 00:07:28,070 --> 00:07:25,259 debrief and he is along with people like 210 00:07:30,170 --> 00:07:28,080 Tim McMillan Micah Hanks and others a 211 00:07:31,670 --> 00:07:30,180 really credible person to go to for 212 00:07:34,129 --> 00:07:31,680 conversation they don't just make up 213 00:07:36,770 --> 00:07:34,139 spurious content and he said himself 214 00:07:39,110 --> 00:07:36,780 given he speaks to Tim and others he 215 00:07:41,450 --> 00:07:39,120 expects to hear by the end of the year 216 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:41,460 you know again within months not not 217 00:07:46,969 --> 00:07:44,340 Years big things to take place in the 218 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:46,979 UFO conversation I don't doubt and I've 219 00:07:49,969 --> 00:07:49,020 said before to many guests and and to 220 00:07:52,370 --> 00:07:49,979 you 221 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:52,380 there is always an opportunity that the 222 00:07:56,029 --> 00:07:54,360 toothpaste goes back in the bottle or 223 00:07:57,890 --> 00:07:56,039 this goes away in some way shape or form 224 00:07:59,629 --> 00:07:57,900 because it's happened before but that's 225 00:08:01,430 --> 00:07:59,639 not to say we're not 226 00:08:04,010 --> 00:08:01,440 past the point of progress it would have 227 00:08:05,270 --> 00:08:04,020 maybe not been at before so it's like 228 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:05,280 I've said could be sitting here in 40 229 00:08:09,589 --> 00:08:06,780 years time then doing one of these going 230 00:08:11,990 --> 00:08:09,599 oh well you know there's a new UAP task 231 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:12,000 force been put in place with you know 232 00:08:15,710 --> 00:08:14,220 Senator Brands kids are running it and 233 00:08:18,409 --> 00:08:15,720 we hope this time it's going to be the 234 00:08:20,270 --> 00:08:18,419 kind of way forward we don't know 235 00:08:22,909 --> 00:08:20,280 um but right now we're at a good place 236 00:08:25,309 --> 00:08:22,919 it seems conversations are being had how 237 00:08:27,409 --> 00:08:25,319 much that progresses I think could 238 00:08:29,629 --> 00:08:27,419 really tip this conversation either way 239 00:08:31,369 --> 00:08:29,639 yeah I would agree the the big question 240 00:08:32,750 --> 00:08:31,379 for me that it raises is you know why 241 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:32,760 does Arrow exist if people aren't going 242 00:08:37,070 --> 00:08:35,520 to go there because they trust them and 243 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:37,080 like I said before I'm not sure that's 244 00:08:40,670 --> 00:08:39,000 entirely Patrick's fault he seems to 245 00:08:42,290 --> 00:08:40,680 enjoy chess but just realizes the board 246 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:42,300 is a bit rigged 247 00:08:46,670 --> 00:08:44,880 um so we we wanted people to kind of 248 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:46,680 push past the dod for these things 249 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:49,560 anyway so if that's happening this is a 250 00:08:52,430 --> 00:08:50,760 good thing you know they they should be 251 00:08:54,350 --> 00:08:52,440 skipping the dod and talking directly to 252 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:54,360 the Senators and things like that but it 253 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:55,560 does raise the question of why does 254 00:08:59,509 --> 00:08:57,300 Arrow even exist why don't we have an 255 00:09:01,490 --> 00:08:59,519 independent completely independent thing 256 00:09:03,889 --> 00:09:01,500 that isn't Under the Umbrella of the dod 257 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:03,899 if that's what they're doing yeah uh 258 00:09:07,910 --> 00:09:05,940 Chris melon chimed on this as well 259 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:07,920 they're both a thread of tweets on how 260 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:09,600 military personnel like Chad Underwood 261 00:09:14,389 --> 00:09:11,880 David forever Kevin Day have all 262 00:09:16,370 --> 00:09:14,399 reported the sort of data that Dr Sean 263 00:09:17,810 --> 00:09:16,380 Kirkpatrick says they haven't got or he 264 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:17,820 hasn't seen talking about credible 265 00:09:21,769 --> 00:09:19,860 evidence and I'll just read you the the 266 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:21,779 sixth tweet of crossmere and sex tweets 267 00:09:26,090 --> 00:09:24,600 although what really happened on the uh 268 00:09:27,889 --> 00:09:26,100 the date of the Nimitz event it was the 269 00:09:30,350 --> 00:09:27,899 11th for it's down here it's the 14th 270 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:30,360 end of it ah 14th of November 2004. 271 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:32,820 sorry UK based I was going the 11th of 272 00:09:38,509 --> 00:09:35,760 the 14th that's not a date so yeah so 273 00:09:39,949 --> 00:09:38,519 the 14th of November 2004 and perhaps 274 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:39,959 never will be resolved with much 275 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:42,300 confidence for Dr Kirkpatrick to go so 276 00:09:47,210 --> 00:09:44,640 far as to claim there's no credible 277 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:47,220 evidence of objects that defy the known 278 00:09:51,769 --> 00:09:49,700 laws of physics as disingenuous at best 279 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:51,779 corroborating reports from multiple 280 00:09:56,509 --> 00:09:53,880 serious military Witnesses are not proof 281 00:09:59,389 --> 00:09:56,519 but they are credible evidence I think 282 00:10:00,829 --> 00:09:59,399 that's a fair statement but to to sit on 283 00:10:03,829 --> 00:10:00,839 the fence and play Devil's Advocate I 284 00:10:06,889 --> 00:10:03,839 understand why a lot of folks don't see 285 00:10:07,670 --> 00:10:06,899 that as enough and to them it might not 286 00:10:10,130 --> 00:10:07,680 be 287 00:10:11,630 --> 00:10:10,140 quote unquote credible evidence but I 288 00:10:13,850 --> 00:10:11,640 can absolutely see what Chris millen's 289 00:10:16,310 --> 00:10:13,860 getting at here yeah for sure you know 290 00:10:18,470 --> 00:10:16,320 what what melon is talking about here 291 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:18,480 the data from the Nimitz and things like 292 00:10:23,210 --> 00:10:19,680 that 293 00:10:25,550 --> 00:10:23,220 databricks were supposedly taken off the 294 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:25,560 ship and Chris said that he he tried to 295 00:10:28,850 --> 00:10:26,820 get them where they should be and they 296 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:28,860 were gone you know the logs were gone so 297 00:10:32,210 --> 00:10:30,420 there's a question of access here on 298 00:10:34,370 --> 00:10:32,220 whether Kirkpatrick actually has seen 299 00:10:36,170 --> 00:10:34,380 that stuff or whether he hasn't 300 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:36,180 um and that brings us back to that title 301 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:38,760 10 versus title 50 discussion you know 302 00:10:42,590 --> 00:10:40,560 when Lou Elizondo a number of people 303 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:42,600 have said uh that Lou should go work for 304 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:44,880 Arrow and the truth is that Lou wouldn't 305 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:46,260 be able to share everything that he 306 00:10:51,650 --> 00:10:48,300 knows because Lou had title 50 access 307 00:10:53,509 --> 00:10:51,660 when he was a usdi uh and Kirkpatrick 308 00:10:55,069 --> 00:10:53,519 only has title 10 so there would be 309 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:55,079 literal things that you know 310 00:10:58,130 --> 00:10:56,760 Kilpatrick's Deputy would have to be 311 00:10:59,389 --> 00:10:58,140 like sorry can't talk to you about that 312 00:11:01,130 --> 00:10:59,399 you know 313 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:01,140 um but you gotta wonder if if Lou had 314 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:03,240 access to that stuff too you know they 315 00:11:06,769 --> 00:11:04,740 him and Chris seem to look for it and 316 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:06,779 they just didn't find it there was a job 317 00:11:13,370 --> 00:11:09,720 listing put up this week for arrow for a 318 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:13,380 deputy director and that listed the 319 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:15,600 basically the person that you know is 320 00:11:18,230 --> 00:11:17,160 ideal for that role would be able to 321 00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:18,240 take all the different forms of 322 00:11:21,290 --> 00:11:19,560 intelligence whether it's sensors 323 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:21,300 whether it's witness testimony so on so 324 00:11:26,449 --> 00:11:22,920 forth when a testimony comes into what 325 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:26,459 we call human or human intelligence and 326 00:11:30,470 --> 00:11:28,800 it said that that's important so it's 327 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:30,480 really quite confusing why these 328 00:11:33,829 --> 00:11:31,920 interviews aren't being counted as 329 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:33,839 credible when it's specified in the job 330 00:11:38,690 --> 00:11:35,700 title that they are a credible form of 331 00:11:41,449 --> 00:11:38,700 evidence you know yeah and I get as well 332 00:11:42,889 --> 00:11:41,459 it's not just the the testimony but 333 00:11:44,150 --> 00:11:42,899 there must be data to back up what 334 00:11:46,670 --> 00:11:44,160 they're talking talking about as well 335 00:11:48,110 --> 00:11:46,680 because it's like myself if I got into a 336 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:48,120 really high say I applied for that 337 00:11:52,370 --> 00:11:49,860 deputy director role when I'm successful 338 00:11:54,889 --> 00:11:52,380 and I get the job God help you all 339 00:11:56,569 --> 00:11:54,899 um and I go in there and I think you'd 340 00:11:59,449 --> 00:11:56,579 be good here for it's worth they 341 00:12:01,190 --> 00:11:59,459 wouldn't understand me but see see I sat 342 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:01,200 with Dr Sean Kirkpatrick and say okay as 343 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:02,399 your Deputy I'm going to share my 344 00:12:07,069 --> 00:12:05,040 testimony and I talk about the event I 345 00:12:08,569 --> 00:12:07,079 saw in the 90s where this huge Ferris 346 00:12:09,769 --> 00:12:08,579 wheel thing like what does he do with 347 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:09,779 that from there 348 00:12:13,910 --> 00:12:11,640 there's nothing because it is just 349 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:13,920 testimony what you've got with flavor 350 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:16,800 Underwood Graves you know Dietrich is 351 00:12:21,410 --> 00:12:18,660 there is a whole 352 00:12:23,509 --> 00:12:21,420 ton of data that should be there to back 353 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:23,519 this up even if you want to look at what 354 00:12:27,949 --> 00:12:25,380 they say and go I don't believe you 355 00:12:29,569 --> 00:12:27,959 that's fine don't believe me but you can 356 00:12:31,130 --> 00:12:29,579 go and get the data from what they saw 357 00:12:32,690 --> 00:12:31,140 from that event 358 00:12:34,009 --> 00:12:32,700 um whether that satellite data that's 359 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:34,019 still kicking about I'm sure whether 360 00:12:37,970 --> 00:12:35,940 those brick data bricks that we hear so 361 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:37,980 much about in different stories there 362 00:12:42,710 --> 00:12:40,860 should be stuff there to corroborate and 363 00:12:45,230 --> 00:12:42,720 and back up what Dr Shankar Patrick is 364 00:12:47,509 --> 00:12:45,240 saying they don't have so that's that's 365 00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:47,519 absolutely and and there's something to 366 00:12:50,269 --> 00:12:48,959 be said for the anonymous nature of 367 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:50,279 these things that you know sometimes 368 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:51,600 people have seen craft that don't show 369 00:12:57,290 --> 00:12:53,220 up on radar and don't show up on other 370 00:13:00,949 --> 00:12:57,300 senses but you know you you expect some 371 00:13:02,329 --> 00:13:00,959 sensor to pick some kind of yeah anomaly 372 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:02,339 up to just be like yeah something's 373 00:13:05,090 --> 00:13:03,720 different in that area I don't know what 374 00:13:08,090 --> 00:13:05,100 it is but there's something going on 375 00:13:10,009 --> 00:13:08,100 there you know 100 yeah so more on that 376 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:10,019 one no doubt certain and I like the fact 377 00:13:14,030 --> 00:13:12,180 that the time scale on it because it's 378 00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:14,040 me you're looking at June July August 379 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:15,600 here and if it gets to September and 380 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:17,700 still nothing then questions are no 381 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:19,320 doubt start being asked but think what 382 00:13:23,690 --> 00:13:21,420 we're lucky with people like Roscoe tart 383 00:13:25,430 --> 00:13:23,700 and Bryce Sable having need to know as a 384 00:13:26,810 --> 00:13:25,440 podcast and a platform is to keep us up 385 00:13:28,730 --> 00:13:26,820 to date on a regular basis and what's 386 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:28,740 cool talk isn't shy about going another 387 00:13:33,829 --> 00:13:31,620 podcast shows or on his own and keeping 388 00:13:36,050 --> 00:13:33,839 us up to date so fingers crossed we hear 389 00:13:37,790 --> 00:13:36,060 more from that yeah absolutely fingers 390 00:13:39,530 --> 00:13:37,800 crossed and just to kind of because you 391 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:39,540 hinted at your sighting there and so 392 00:13:50,290 --> 00:13:41,519 many people might not be aware 393 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:52,370 yeah stories from somewhere in the sky 394 00:13:56,690 --> 00:13:54,180 is my leaf on the Wind side is in there 395 00:13:58,430 --> 00:13:56,700 too so if you're curious you know Andy 396 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:58,440 and I both submit the sightings there 397 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:00,959 and it means something to share them and 398 00:14:04,129 --> 00:14:02,880 have them being taken seriously and and 399 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:04,139 I think 400 00:14:07,610 --> 00:14:06,060 that kind of you know if I'd have 401 00:14:08,870 --> 00:14:07,620 submitted my story to arrow and then 402 00:14:10,250 --> 00:14:08,880 heard Kirkpatrick said there's nothing 403 00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:10,260 credible I'd be like what the hell man 404 00:14:14,210 --> 00:14:12,839 you know I think covers are back to back 405 00:14:15,470 --> 00:14:14,220 in the in the book as well I think 406 00:14:16,490 --> 00:14:15,480 that's really good after chat oh yeah 407 00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,500 pretty sure 408 00:14:19,190 --> 00:14:18,000 um so yeah and if you have not checked 409 00:14:20,569 --> 00:14:19,200 out listen to them have you ever Ryan 410 00:14:21,769 --> 00:14:20,579 Sprague from last week and you shared 411 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:21,779 some of his favorite stories from that 412 00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:24,660 as well and I had a cracking pun about 413 00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:26,000 um 414 00:14:29,990 --> 00:14:28,320 aliens walking down the street oh yeah 415 00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:30,000 that was good a title change wasn't it 416 00:14:33,050 --> 00:14:31,800 yeah yeah yeah yeah I like that I was 417 00:14:34,790 --> 00:14:33,060 quite proud of myself 418 00:14:36,350 --> 00:14:34,800 um but on to the serious news um just to 419 00:14:37,550 --> 00:14:36,360 touch on an interview from last week I'm 420 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,560 just going to ask Dan's opinion 421 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:39,360 Christopher plane was on with me talking 422 00:14:43,310 --> 00:14:41,279 about the article he co-authored with 423 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:43,320 Micah Hanks from the debrief about the 424 00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:47,160 Chicago O'Hare UFO UAP event from 2006 425 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:49,920 and essentially the article was that a 426 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,480 group called Applied Physics which is 427 00:14:55,490 --> 00:14:53,760 made up of 30 or more Physicians uh 428 00:14:57,889 --> 00:14:55,500 professor says sorry Physicians are um 429 00:14:58,629 --> 00:14:57,899 doctors aren't they um physicists 430 00:15:01,629 --> 00:14:58,639 um 431 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:01,639 yeah pretty much yeah 432 00:15:06,710 --> 00:15:04,800 they have looked at this as a bit of a 433 00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:06,720 for almost about fun it sounded like 434 00:15:11,389 --> 00:15:09,240 Chris said like as a side project and 435 00:15:13,490 --> 00:15:11,399 they came to the conclusion purely based 436 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:13,500 on testimony and nothing else from the 437 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:14,880 people that were there on the day in 438 00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:16,860 Chicago O'Hare Airport that it was 439 00:15:20,990 --> 00:15:18,959 likely an object that had some kind of 440 00:15:23,449 --> 00:15:21,000 warp drive on it and we won't talk about 441 00:15:24,889 --> 00:15:23,459 the event or that Dan it's we've talked 442 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:24,899 about it before and it talked about a 443 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:27,600 lot with Chris but how do you feel about 444 00:15:32,689 --> 00:15:30,300 a serious group like that of real 445 00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:32,699 scientists real academics looking at 446 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:35,100 their stuff and going probably a warp 447 00:15:40,009 --> 00:15:37,380 dive to be honest based on what we have 448 00:15:42,170 --> 00:15:40,019 as that's good for the topic overall or 449 00:15:44,090 --> 00:15:42,180 is it still lacking something 450 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:44,100 I I really enjoyed it because this is 451 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:45,240 kind of where we have to start with 452 00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:48,000 things right uh we can observe something 453 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:50,820 and implies and it implies a whole bunch 454 00:15:53,810 --> 00:15:52,380 of things that you can kind of almost 455 00:15:55,550 --> 00:15:53,820 backwards engineer just from the 456 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,560 knowledge that it happened uh Michael 457 00:15:58,610 --> 00:15:57,120 Masters does a similar thing you know he 458 00:16:00,590 --> 00:15:58,620 works with the idea of the Grays and 459 00:16:02,569 --> 00:16:00,600 kind of says okay big head small bodies 460 00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:02,579 if we went to space our heads would get 461 00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:04,079 bigger our bodies would shrink you know 462 00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,420 you know so you can kind of imply things 463 00:16:10,189 --> 00:16:08,399 from it so yeah I really love the 464 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:10,199 article and 465 00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:12,360 through through their kind of work they 466 00:16:15,710 --> 00:16:13,680 basically came up with a bunch of 467 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:15,720 observables right that Lou had kind of 468 00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:17,220 shared with us from his atip days the 469 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:20,459 five observables so yeah it's really 470 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:22,620 valuable for people to do that and you 471 00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,060 asked him a question at one point that I 472 00:16:29,389 --> 00:16:26,639 really liked where you said you know as 473 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:29,399 we go forward if you know the the 474 00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:31,380 reality of what's happening is confirmed 475 00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:32,639 by the US government doesn't mean that 476 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,079 academics are suddenly going to go back 477 00:16:37,610 --> 00:16:36,240 through all these old cases and I think 478 00:16:39,949 --> 00:16:37,620 that's almost exactly what needs to 479 00:16:41,749 --> 00:16:39,959 happen you know people like us kind of 480 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:41,759 pour over these old cases and kind of go 481 00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:43,380 okay well that means that that's similar 482 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:45,839 you you know between all these things so 483 00:16:50,269 --> 00:16:47,940 to have academics do that and draw 484 00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:50,279 conclusions from it that okay this sure 485 00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:51,839 you know it cracks like a duck it looks 486 00:16:58,490 --> 00:16:54,779 like a duck maybe it is a duck uh it's 487 00:17:01,370 --> 00:16:58,500 valuable and that kind of thing will 488 00:17:04,189 --> 00:17:01,380 if they could confirm somehow you know 489 00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:04,199 like 99 like this is probably a warp 490 00:17:06,949 --> 00:17:05,280 drive because that's how we would expect 491 00:17:08,390 --> 00:17:06,959 it to to behave 492 00:17:10,370 --> 00:17:08,400 just the knowledge that one of those 493 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:10,380 could exist will inspire a scientist 494 00:17:13,610 --> 00:17:11,640 somewhere to start working on it 495 00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:13,620 properly and trying to engineer it for 496 00:17:18,650 --> 00:17:15,959 themselves and that that's what we call 497 00:17:20,569 --> 00:17:18,660 progress right absolutely and Dan do you 498 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:20,579 know what's better than a duck 499 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:23,640 a fox and James Fox has been in the news 500 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:25,260 still recently 501 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:27,540 um with his uh his recent appearance on 502 00:17:31,909 --> 00:17:29,700 Joe Rogan has uh kept the conversation 503 00:17:34,010 --> 00:17:31,919 going uh nice little Ripple in the pond 504 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:34,020 still from from that appearance a lot of 505 00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:35,700 sound bites going around 506 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:38,640 um and if you haven't heard uh Logan 507 00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:41,400 Paul famous YouTuber celebrity WWE 508 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:45,299 wrestler Prime Aficionado along with KSI 509 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:48,240 um basically I went to Chuck Clark's 510 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,280 property and we've talked about this 511 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:52,320 recently very quickly for just catching 512 00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:54,059 up Chuck Clark apparently has a piece of 513 00:18:00,250 --> 00:17:56,400 footage on VHS which is astounding 514 00:18:03,289 --> 00:18:00,260 footage of uh potential 515 00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:03,299 UFO above two guys filming it back in 516 00:18:07,850 --> 00:18:05,700 the 90s apparently it's incredible 517 00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,860 um James Fox has Senate Logan Paul has 518 00:18:11,930 --> 00:18:09,600 seen it apparently Logan Paul has gone 519 00:18:14,810 --> 00:18:11,940 there and filmed it secretly 520 00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:14,820 um and James Fox has been on Twitter and 521 00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:17,220 he's even tagging Logan Paul to say if 522 00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:19,260 you filmed this do you plan on releasing 523 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:21,419 it because I'm one of those ones that 524 00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:23,340 would happily watch this footage even if 525 00:18:27,529 --> 00:18:25,500 it is secret camera I'm thinking Logan 526 00:18:28,370 --> 00:18:27,539 Paul trench coat camera underneath you 527 00:18:29,810 --> 00:18:28,380 know 528 00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:29,820 um I'm sure it was something more subtle 529 00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:32,160 than that but if that footage has been 530 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,840 filmed I want to see it regardless of 531 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:35,520 how degraded the footage is because it's 532 00:18:40,250 --> 00:18:37,860 a 90s VHS and over here but I also 533 00:18:43,549 --> 00:18:40,260 wondered that as it was saying that is 534 00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:43,559 this how or let me rephrase it is this 535 00:18:47,870 --> 00:18:45,900 another way we can look at approaching 536 00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,880 some kind of official confirmation or 537 00:18:52,190 --> 00:18:50,880 disclosure is that and I see people get 538 00:18:54,169 --> 00:18:52,200 really annoyed at Celebrities right 539 00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:54,179 being involved in the UFO topic Tom De 540 00:18:57,529 --> 00:18:55,799 Long prime example 541 00:19:00,590 --> 00:18:57,539 um I've said often about Kanye West 542 00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,600 going up in SpaceX as a tourist and our 543 00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:02,880 Virgin Galactic rockets and seeing 544 00:19:07,010 --> 00:19:04,080 something and filming it with an iPhone 545 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:07,020 right why not a celebrity now because 546 00:19:12,049 --> 00:19:09,840 with the the reach and impact of social 547 00:19:14,210 --> 00:19:12,059 media and instant gratification and 548 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:14,220 innocent information why wouldn't it be 549 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:16,620 something as ridiculous as Logan Paul 550 00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:18,120 filming something he shouldn't and 551 00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,440 putting out there for the world to see 552 00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,840 because does he really care 553 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:23,460 the guys get hundreds of millions of 554 00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:25,260 dollars in the bank he's not signing 555 00:19:30,409 --> 00:19:28,620 ndas for UFO stuff he I wouldn't upset 556 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:30,419 him or if you know 557 00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:32,340 James Fox Andrew just Logan Paul to 558 00:19:36,529 --> 00:19:34,380 Chuck Clark would Logan Paul necessarily 559 00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:36,539 care that James Fox and Chuck Clark's 560 00:19:40,909 --> 00:19:38,520 relationship could be affected 561 00:19:42,529 --> 00:19:40,919 you know why why not purely for the 562 00:19:44,990 --> 00:19:42,539 recognition go out and put it out there 563 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:45,000 not saying it's right or wrong but I 564 00:19:48,169 --> 00:19:46,620 don't think James fox seems too fast on 565 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:48,179 Logan Paul put out there from what is 566 00:19:52,190 --> 00:19:50,820 from what he's saying so why why 567 00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,200 wouldn't this kind of celebrity 568 00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:54,480 involvement end up in having an impact 569 00:19:58,010 --> 00:19:56,340 it wouldn't be the first time would it 570 00:19:59,450 --> 00:19:58,020 no you know when you were talking about 571 00:20:01,130 --> 00:19:59,460 reaching impact there I just thought of 572 00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:01,140 Tom's along immediately you know how 573 00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:03,000 much he progressed the conversation just 574 00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:04,620 by getting a few videos out there that 575 00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:06,179 we're still debating to this day you 576 00:20:07,850 --> 00:20:07,200 know yeah 577 00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:07,860 um 578 00:20:11,390 --> 00:20:09,900 yeah and you're right as well Logan 579 00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:11,400 Logan Paul 580 00:20:15,470 --> 00:20:13,320 historically isn't the kind of person to 581 00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:15,480 be bothered by some some of the blowback 582 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:16,980 and things like that he's more about 583 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:18,660 just you know getting things done and 584 00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:20,640 and putting together a show which you 585 00:20:24,289 --> 00:20:22,260 know I can respect I don't really care 586 00:20:27,049 --> 00:20:24,299 if the the video is degraded myself or 587 00:20:28,970 --> 00:20:27,059 like from a little button cam it reminds 588 00:20:32,029 --> 00:20:28,980 me of Calvin you know for years it was 589 00:20:33,470 --> 00:20:32,039 like this myth and sure like finding one 590 00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,480 of the photos just brought up more 591 00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:34,799 questions and things like that and the 592 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,260 same thing would happen here but we have 593 00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:39,120 a real chance to kind of progress the 594 00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,120 conversation in this area now and I mean 595 00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:45,120 I don't want to say if it was meme or 596 00:20:48,650 --> 00:20:46,500 Logan Paul's shoes that I would just 597 00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:48,660 release it but it would be it would be 598 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:50,700 Mighty tempting to you know just get it 599 00:20:53,870 --> 00:20:52,200 out there and be like cool here's the 600 00:20:55,850 --> 00:20:53,880 video this is what we're going to be 601 00:20:57,169 --> 00:20:55,860 looking at and then we can start asking 602 00:20:58,430 --> 00:20:57,179 questions and maybe Chuck Clark would 603 00:21:00,289 --> 00:20:58,440 release it after that and kind of go 604 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,299 okay well you've kind of seen it now you 605 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,400 know through no fault of his uh because 606 00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:04,080 he seems to have promised the the person 607 00:21:08,029 --> 00:21:05,340 that gave it to him that he wouldn't 608 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:08,039 reveal it uh but you know if his hand is 609 00:21:12,529 --> 00:21:10,620 tipped by someone like uh Logan Paul 610 00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:12,539 then I keep I keep going to say Paul 611 00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:14,220 Logan because Paul is a traditional 612 00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:15,720 first name you know yeah 613 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,380 um 614 00:21:19,789 --> 00:21:18,000 but yeah if his hand is tipped by 615 00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:19,799 something like this I I think that's 616 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,580 fair I would like to see it uh and yeah 617 00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:25,679 no money is really changing hands it's 618 00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:28,740 it would just put a kind of pin in this 619 00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:30,299 part of the conversation instead of you 620 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:31,440 know a lot of people are looking at this 621 00:21:35,149 --> 00:21:33,240 and kind of go no it's marketing you 622 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:35,159 know they've they've obviously kind of 623 00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,840 planned this and just getting the 624 00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,360 conversation going but I trust James 625 00:21:43,549 --> 00:21:41,280 um and and I think he he does great work 626 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,559 so if he's kind of barking up this tree 627 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:45,600 I think it's a tree worth backing up 628 00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:47,700 yeah I'd like the opportunity to make up 629 00:21:51,169 --> 00:21:49,799 my own mind about the footage even like 630 00:21:53,690 --> 00:21:51,179 you say if it's someone filming the 631 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:53,700 footage at least I could say yeah it 632 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:55,260 looks interesting but I need to see the 633 00:21:59,390 --> 00:21:56,820 actual copy or you could look at it and 634 00:22:01,250 --> 00:21:59,400 go even you can tell from that second 635 00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,260 hand footage that it's not going to be 636 00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:02,640 worth it you know it's not what we 637 00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,740 thought let us make up our own mind and 638 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:06,419 that's why when Jeremy Corbell releases 639 00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,539 footage or any other rubber duck footage 640 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:11,280 all that kind of stuff I'd rather see it 641 00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,260 and get to make up my own mind than not 642 00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,120 have anything released and just have 643 00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:16,799 endless debate about the lack of footage 644 00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:18,419 so I'd rather see something in the safe 645 00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:20,520 for myself and same as everyone else you 646 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:23,220 know stuff I've seen I'm sure as an 647 00:22:27,470 --> 00:22:25,260 officially a UFO or exotic technology 648 00:22:28,909 --> 00:22:27,480 other people maybe see something in it 649 00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:28,919 and that's fine we all we all get to 650 00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:30,900 make up an opinion based on on what we 651 00:22:33,529 --> 00:22:31,679 think 652 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,539 um still on that James Fox on a 653 00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:35,760 Brazilian UFO podcast announced that 654 00:22:41,570 --> 00:22:39,360 there's a 200 000 reward for video of 655 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,580 the alleged Virginia for anyone who 656 00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:43,380 likes me saying that there you go uh 657 00:22:47,149 --> 00:22:45,539 Virginia being I thought someone said 658 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:47,159 have a heart attack every time you say 659 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:50,220 that yes yeah and I have to think very 660 00:22:54,289 --> 00:22:52,020 carefully when I say it so from the 661 00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:54,299 being from the Brazilian incident 662 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:56,100 um god that actually still works for the 663 00:22:59,330 --> 00:22:57,419 whole Virginia thing same Brazilian 664 00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,340 doesn't it before 665 00:23:05,149 --> 00:23:01,919 um sorry folks so yeah there there's a 666 00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,159 video allegedly of a live being that was 667 00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:07,200 from that incident that apparently is 668 00:23:11,149 --> 00:23:09,240 out there James Fox has spoken to people 669 00:23:13,070 --> 00:23:11,159 who are assured him it's there two 670 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,080 hundred thousand dollars for me 671 00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,880 that's a lot of money for James Fox he 672 00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:16,080 said himself he's not got that kind of 673 00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:17,460 money just kicking about in the bank you 674 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:18,840 know he's got a family in a house and 675 00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,580 all that kind of stuff as well so even 676 00:23:23,149 --> 00:23:22,320 if it is his own money it's a chunk of 677 00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:23,159 change 678 00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,620 I'll look again at your your Joe Rogan's 679 00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,600 your Logan Paul's that is that's a drop 680 00:23:32,930 --> 00:23:30,240 in the ocean to them surely just for the 681 00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,940 kicks and for fun if I was them and I 682 00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:34,559 had 200 million dollars in my bank I'd 683 00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,120 be going you know what I'll give you a 684 00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:38,159 million a couple of million just from 685 00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,140 the the marketing possibilities on this 686 00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:42,179 alone I wouldn't care about that money 687 00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:44,100 if someone has that video give me it'll 688 00:23:47,330 --> 00:23:45,419 buy it off them 689 00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:47,340 and and go from there 690 00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:49,260 um because it ends the conversation 691 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:52,440 for for good or it really kicks it on in 692 00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:54,360 a big way if there's a live video of 693 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:55,380 being 694 00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,200 um so yeah we talked about that before I 695 00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:59,760 know but just just quick thoughts on it 696 00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:01,320 then well it was fascinating isn't it 697 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:03,059 because this is again another thing 698 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,320 that's kind of close to the Finish Line 699 00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:06,240 the the bit that kind of confuses me is 700 00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:07,860 that you know apparently the guy was 701 00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:09,720 gonna go for the 20K and now it's up to 702 00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:10,980 200k and they're looking for other 703 00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,320 people so maybe the guy the the original 704 00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:15,600 kind of source is you know playing a bit 705 00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,179 hard to get but the the whole thing for 706 00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:20,159 me is you know would either of these 707 00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:22,620 videos bring disclosure 708 00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,799 no no they wouldn't right no um so 709 00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:27,120 though we're kind of putting this 710 00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:28,740 importance on them neither one is kind 711 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:30,059 of going to be you know the nail in the 712 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,980 coffin this is a long drawn out process 713 00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:33,480 that's going to be chipped away at and 714 00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,220 our paradigms will shift as Thomas 715 00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:37,679 says over like 30 to 50 years but 716 00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:39,659 there's a whole other portion from this 717 00:24:43,850 --> 00:24:42,539 Virginia case to do with 718 00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:43,860 um I forget the guy's name and that's 719 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:46,940 really bugging me Mario something 720 00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,440 not Mario Woods he he was the gentleman 721 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:52,640 who was killed basically by oh yeah 722 00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,380 and a number of people have kind of come 723 00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,720 up with several angles on it and one 724 00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,340 that I hadn't heard 725 00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:01,740 just to share this side of things was 726 00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,820 that 727 00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:04,559 um the bacteria was identified as an 728 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:07,020 earth bacteria which we I think we spoke 729 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,520 about before that you know maybe the 730 00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,080 immune system shut down and then he got 731 00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,080 affected but what I didn't know was the 732 00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:14,880 doctor uh confirmed that the guy 733 00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:17,340 actually had prior surgery on like maybe 734 00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:18,780 a cyst under his arm and that the 735 00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:21,960 surgeon was sued for malpractice uh so 736 00:25:25,970 --> 00:25:24,360 it's possible that sepsis could have 737 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:25,980 been the result of all this you know 738 00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,980 yeah but Leslie Kane as spoken about at 739 00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:30,659 the the conference in New York recently 740 00:25:34,850 --> 00:25:32,940 Leslie Kane has that medical report and 741 00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,860 it's being translated so we'll see it 742 00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:36,240 sooner rather than later it's a really 743 00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,340 intriguing case and 744 00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:40,559 when we reviewed it you know I I we we 745 00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:43,260 said before that it's curious that James 746 00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:45,779 goes into this kind of Investigation 747 00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:47,820 kind of going eh did it happen and then 748 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,260 by the end he's like yeah something 749 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,360 happened here you know yeah yeah it's 750 00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:53,039 not right we should keep pulling that's 751 00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:54,779 it but it's good to see it's been chased 752 00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:57,600 up and James's active on social media 753 00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,820 which is always good and uh he's still 754 00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:02,159 going at it as well so yeah really 755 00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,720 interesting stuff 756 00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:05,279 um jumping all over the place or on this 757 00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:07,799 breakdown an exchange between John 758 00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:11,100 Greenwald George Knapp Eric Weinstein or 759 00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:12,600 Weinstein I don't know how to put the 760 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:13,799 video on it there 761 00:26:18,289 --> 00:26:15,960 um unless that's correct and Stephen 762 00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,299 Green Street happened I'd seen the 763 00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:20,220 initial exchange 764 00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,919 um a little bit immature between grimald 765 00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:24,720 and that uh 766 00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:26,940 not blaming anyone but 767 00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:29,039 yeah they're a bit of a back and forward 768 00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:31,200 and then and Eric Weinstein comes into 769 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,760 it who's seen as a kind of serious 770 00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,279 scientist academic from outside the UFO 771 00:26:39,769 --> 00:26:37,440 subject who very much has not just as 772 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,779 tall but his whole foot in the water and 773 00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:41,820 is has had an interest recently in the 774 00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:43,860 Bible is our conversation and he would 775 00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:46,140 go on Rogan and debate Lazar uh not 776 00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:49,860 believing his story and he he saw the 777 00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:51,720 exchange between Greenwald and that and 778 00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:54,059 was like I don't get the issues that you 779 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,559 a lot have in this community between you 780 00:26:59,210 --> 00:26:57,120 and then Stephen Green Street got 781 00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,220 involved and then Eric Benson again was 782 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:01,200 very much you know than what he's doing 783 00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:02,940 wasn't he it was it was almost like a 784 00:27:07,549 --> 00:27:05,580 the senior parent coming along like the 785 00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:07,559 older parent and admonishing the 786 00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:09,539 children and these are all professionals 787 00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,679 that a lot of people still respect 788 00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,539 regardless what individual you think of 789 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:15,360 them you know I'm a patronage regardless 790 00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:16,380 what people think and have a 791 00:27:18,890 --> 00:27:17,400 disagreements with them and he's a 792 00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,900 disagreements with me online before I 793 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,279 try and stay out of it 794 00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,080 um but I appreciate the work he does 795 00:27:25,549 --> 00:27:24,000 from the UFO subject huge respect for 796 00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:25,559 George Knapp and I've had Stephen 797 00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,940 greenshot on the podcast in the past 798 00:27:30,529 --> 00:27:28,799 before things changed for him as well 799 00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:30,539 again I've got no personal I should be 800 00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:32,460 Stephen Green Street crack on you know 801 00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,840 things change 802 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:35,880 um opinions change but 803 00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,700 again is that's what we need the outside 804 00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,799 world seeing when they jump in and go oh 805 00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:42,299 do you know what this UFO story is quite 806 00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:44,340 interesting I'm going to jump on Twitter 807 00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:46,980 put on hashtag UFO Twitter and see 808 00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:48,600 what's going on and they see some of the 809 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,820 respected names if you want to call them 810 00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:53,220 influencers I don't know but respected 811 00:27:57,710 --> 00:27:55,799 names and they see that kind of 812 00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:57,720 pettiness and it's like come on it 813 00:28:01,669 --> 00:28:00,299 doesn't help anyone you know and then 814 00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:01,679 you see like an Eric Green cinema we'll 815 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,000 get to the laser thing again in a second 816 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,799 I've got a question on that for you but 817 00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:07,200 what do you think of that Dan and look 818 00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:09,299 we're all guilty of it we've all had a 819 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,620 bit of a back and forward online before 820 00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:12,480 there comes a point you just have to 821 00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,419 kind of grow of it though yeah I agree I 822 00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,799 I really like Derek's point you know 823 00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:18,659 where the conversation ended up 824 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,100 um the the exchange made me laugh 825 00:28:23,690 --> 00:28:22,080 because it was just so extremes and Eric 826 00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:23,700 kind of just coming into that exchange 827 00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:26,340 between Greenwald and a nap where you 828 00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:27,179 know there might have been a penis 829 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,500 picture posted 830 00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,000 um and just saying I don't understand 831 00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:31,760 this 832 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:34,440 picture there was a phallic object 833 00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:37,100 that's true it was a failure 834 00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,159 yeah that's the one yeah yeah and then 835 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:42,480 Weinstein just said I don't understand 836 00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:45,900 the the you know the relationships in 837 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:48,600 this community but he ultimately came to 838 00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,960 kind of saying to Stephen like look 839 00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:54,240 I I've bandied the idea about that this 840 00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,419 is all not real yeah but ultimately it's 841 00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,700 goddamn fascinated even if we're there 842 00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:01,919 you know this this is kind of like a 843 00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:04,020 well let me read his final tweets yeah 844 00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:05,700 and said uh have you not been listening 845 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,980 to what I've said well sorry this was 846 00:29:12,289 --> 00:29:10,740 what Eric greinson said responds to 847 00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:12,299 Stephen Green Street and that thread 848 00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:14,100 yeah so have you not been listened to 849 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,659 what I've said that we might be faking 850 00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,000 UFO situation or we might be covering up 851 00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,679 the duplicity of our own Operation 852 00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:22,320 Fortitude type program I honestly don't 853 00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:23,580 understand you keep going though he's 854 00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:25,020 talking about the pettiness there yeah 855 00:29:28,669 --> 00:29:26,580 and then he says something big is going 856 00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,679 on it involves spying classified r d 857 00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,659 deception religion physics but I'm 858 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:32,159 either invested in the little green man 859 00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:35,340 nor the it's obviously all Bs crowds I 860 00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:36,899 simply don't understand what it is I'm 861 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,580 looking at why do we turn everything 862 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:41,039 into a battle I don't get it and that's 863 00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:43,860 such a good point because 864 00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,260 when I first came to UI Twitter that was 865 00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:48,000 the point we you know we we kind of 866 00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:50,220 refer to ourselves as UFO centrists like 867 00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,960 we're not saying it's one thing we're 868 00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:53,520 saying hey there's something here and we 869 00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:55,500 should probably look at it whether that 870 00:30:00,350 --> 00:29:57,960 turns out to be nonsense or Tech or 871 00:30:01,430 --> 00:30:00,360 something else you know personally I 872 00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,440 feel there's enough evidence for the 873 00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,960 something else but that's debatable 874 00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:06,059 um yeah we all got to work together to 875 00:30:09,230 --> 00:30:07,799 get this down the road like sniping each 876 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:09,240 other and kind of saying my narrative is 877 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:10,980 the correct one doesn't get us anywhere 878 00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:13,320 it doesn't clear anything up you know 879 00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:16,260 100 yeah so um Eric ranking as well 880 00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,299 recently said uh he tagged Joe Rogan 881 00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,159 he's been on Joe Rogan before and he 882 00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,320 said he would happily have Bulbasaur and 883 00:30:26,210 --> 00:30:24,480 himself on Joe Rogan's podcast debate 884 00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:26,220 the whole debate the whole publish our 885 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:28,020 story and the the issues and the 886 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,880 fallacies he sees with that and that's 887 00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:32,220 one that's came up again recently 888 00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:33,059 um 889 00:30:38,409 --> 00:30:35,460 douglastine Johnson had an article done 890 00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,419 it on the Lazar story 891 00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,279 again a lot of detail 892 00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:42,960 um kind of the education side of things 893 00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:45,419 which reported on you know he reported 894 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,860 on straight up kind of saying yeah 895 00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:48,240 there's something weird going on with 896 00:30:52,190 --> 00:30:50,100 the education here but I can't see the 897 00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,200 way what it is right yeah I think when I 898 00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,840 spoke to George Knapp about it he had 899 00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:56,399 mentioned that and I'm probably gonna 900 00:31:00,409 --> 00:30:58,500 bastardize this spot 901 00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,419 people in that sort of position who are 902 00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,679 kind of Highly skilled or highly 903 00:31:05,930 --> 00:31:03,299 intelligent or are looking to do certain 904 00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:05,940 roles or jobs potentially could could be 905 00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:07,980 in certain classes but not in Road 906 00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:09,659 properly to the College of University 907 00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:12,299 which is probably convenient from any 908 00:31:15,230 --> 00:31:13,740 Skeptics point of view going well of 909 00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,240 course it would be and yeah it doesn't 910 00:31:19,010 --> 00:31:17,279 help does it but it's not to say that 911 00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:19,020 that couldn't also be the reason that 912 00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,659 bubbles are maybe did attend certain 913 00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:24,000 classes for things but didn't 914 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:25,980 necessarily have a proper enrollment at 915 00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,260 those at those places of education so 916 00:31:32,450 --> 00:31:30,720 who knows there's enough there's enough 917 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,460 ambiguity around the whole thing the 918 00:31:36,529 --> 00:31:34,620 question and I've said to you before I 919 00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,539 don't believe 100 the full wobbles our 920 00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,880 story but I think there's enough of it 921 00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:41,039 that's true for whatever reason whether 922 00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:43,020 it's protecting him or not 923 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,299 to to say that there was there was 924 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:46,980 something to it 925 00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:49,799 yeah absolutely smoke there's fire you 926 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,240 know that kind of thing how far that 927 00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:53,220 goes we don't know we certainly like to 928 00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,779 get to the bottom of it there was an 929 00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:56,399 exchange that Chris Mellon had with Joe 930 00:32:00,590 --> 00:31:58,260 Rogan off camera you know they sat on 931 00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,600 camera I I know a little bit more about 932 00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:02,580 why you wouldn't find the educational 933 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,580 stuff yeah with Lazar but we'll speak 934 00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:07,200 off camera about it so there certainly 935 00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,820 seems to be some idea or information 936 00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:10,980 there that the public just isn't privy 937 00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,899 to supposedly he was there for a 938 00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:14,940 specific reason so you gotta wonder you 939 00:32:18,049 --> 00:32:16,380 know maybe maybe he wasn't enrolled 940 00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:18,059 maybe he was just sent to a few classes 941 00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,940 by his bosses and typically maybe class 942 00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,919 mail in turn drowning goes look it got 943 00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:24,960 deleted yeah it's literally just 944 00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:27,659 government taken out there to to throw 945 00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,360 some cold water on the story and I had 946 00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:32,340 no doubt Rogan would go that's just I 947 00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:34,200 can't go I can't go with that that's 948 00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:36,179 that's too obvious it's too you know and 949 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,980 that that might be as simple as that or 950 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,960 it could be something else but we don't 951 00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,580 know we might never find out I hope we 952 00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:44,640 do one way or another do you think can I 953 00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:48,059 ask like what for you would be the value 954 00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,460 of a Weinstein versus lizard debate like 955 00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:52,620 I I'm very into my nerdy stuff but 956 00:32:56,450 --> 00:32:54,120 you're reading my question I forgot to 957 00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,460 ask yeah I was going to ask you why 958 00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:58,799 should Lazar do it and why shouldn't he 959 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,399 um so yeah fair enough asking me um 960 00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:04,200 I I don't think there's any reason 961 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:05,880 personally that he shouldn't do it 962 00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,620 because 963 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,559 by not doing it you're just throw up 964 00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:11,760 more questions 965 00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:14,399 and if it has to go on and do it and say 966 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:16,620 certain times like I just can't tell you 967 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:19,200 why then that's that's fine because 968 00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,340 we're going to talk about something else 969 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,600 in a second just to kind of start 970 00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,220 wrapping up a little bit but 971 00:33:26,990 --> 00:33:25,440 um which is similar but the bubbles are 972 00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:27,000 stories massive 973 00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:29,159 it's one of the best known stories in 974 00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:33,059 the UFO lower our community or our world 975 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:34,140 um 976 00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:37,440 I would like to see it but I suppose by 977 00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:39,059 not doing it not that it's right or 978 00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,960 wrong 979 00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:41,880 you just give ammunition to those who 980 00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:44,220 doubt the story because well there you 981 00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,899 go but there's plenty of things do you 982 00:33:48,830 --> 00:33:47,100 know what I wouldn't go in and debate 983 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,840 because I'm either not educated enough 984 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:51,120 or don't have an interest in it or I 985 00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:53,460 just don't want to and maybe Lazar with 986 00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,019 us is like I've got nothing to improve 987 00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:56,820 here I've you know I don't want to do it 988 00:34:01,549 --> 00:34:00,059 my stories out there crack on but 989 00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:01,559 I don't know 990 00:34:06,049 --> 00:34:03,899 yeah I I would generally agree with that 991 00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,059 like you've even being a little minute 992 00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,919 into physics and things like that I I 993 00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,480 feel like there's there's almost a 994 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,280 danger that Eric would talk about you 995 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,899 know getting into the quantum stuffs and 996 00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,119 the things that he's clearly really 997 00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:17,339 can expertly talk about and that Lazar 998 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:19,139 would kind of be like yeah I you know 999 00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:20,760 worked on this physics in the 80s and 1000 00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:22,859 it's very different now 1001 00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:24,599 um so they they might not necessarily 1002 00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:26,040 come to an agreement and it doesn't 1003 00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:27,419 necessarily mean that one knows less 1004 00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,679 than the other they just know different 1005 00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,359 things right yeah 1006 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:32,879 um I'm not a fan of these gotcha kind of 1007 00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,700 moments yeah if it was a a debate I'd 1008 00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:37,619 want a healthy debate you know I'd want 1009 00:34:42,109 --> 00:34:39,179 them to kind of dig down on the truth 1010 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,119 not kind of prove whether lazar's lying 1011 00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:44,159 or not just you know work through all of 1012 00:34:47,930 --> 00:34:45,780 the the information and just kind of say 1013 00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:47,940 does does this make sense on any level 1014 00:34:52,129 --> 00:34:49,980 whatsoever even if it's one percent you 1015 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:52,139 know it's curious yeah some are a few 1016 00:34:55,550 --> 00:34:53,460 weeks ago when I mentioned seeing that 1017 00:34:58,250 --> 00:34:55,560 Ben Shapiro Russell Brand conversation 1018 00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,260 to divisive characters for different 1019 00:35:02,570 --> 00:35:00,420 reasons very different Lifestyles 1020 00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:02,580 different beliefs morals 1021 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:03,599 um 1022 00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,480 and they had a very adult rational 1023 00:35:10,010 --> 00:35:08,760 conversation back to back going I did 1024 00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:10,020 not agree with some of the things you do 1025 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:11,099 and I don't agree with some of the 1026 00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:13,740 things you do but here's a conversation 1027 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,720 and it was actually really nice 1028 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,760 and you could actually watch it and 1029 00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:20,160 don't not agree with either of them and 1030 00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:21,720 that's fine that's absolutely and that's 1031 00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:24,420 just being rational Common Sense person 1032 00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:27,000 not even an adult just a common sense 1033 00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:29,339 person a child should be able to have a 1034 00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:31,079 conversation and go oh yeah okay don't 1035 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,540 agree but that's fine and um yeah I 1036 00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,160 would love to see that on a show on a 1037 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:37,500 platform like Rogan but if Rogan doesn't 1038 00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:39,420 want to do it I'll throw my hat in the 1039 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,099 ring but here 1040 00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:42,720 um so yeah can Corbell come on with 1041 00:35:47,210 --> 00:35:45,480 Lazar if you do it 100 yeah cool nice 1042 00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:47,220 you've heard it here Jeremy if you're 1043 00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:50,579 listening let's get this done absolutely 1044 00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:51,800 um and 1045 00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:56,820 down the down the celebrity UFO scale 1046 00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,599 um 1047 00:36:02,450 --> 00:36:00,540 for credible stories that may or may not 1048 00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:02,460 be credible or stories that may not be 1049 00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:04,500 credible sorry the Anjali stuff came 1050 00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,440 back up now to to mention Jordan Ramirez 1051 00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:08,640 is coming on the podcast with me 1052 00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,839 tomorrow I think it's like his third 1053 00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:11,760 appearance and he made some some 1054 00:36:16,609 --> 00:36:14,579 comments and quotes recently uh on 1055 00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:16,619 various different podcasts 1056 00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,540 um particularly relating to the Anjali 1057 00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:20,700 story and jolly was a character who 1058 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:22,800 apparently she should not character 1059 00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:25,200 she's a real person but the the way the 1060 00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:26,820 whole story has been presented it comes 1061 00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,440 across like a character 1062 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:30,359 and to be honest I work affection the 1063 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:32,220 way it comes across not seeing it as or 1064 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:34,680 isn't depending where you are on it but 1065 00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:36,180 I've mentioned before I think it's 1066 00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:37,260 something that should really be put to 1067 00:36:42,349 --> 00:36:40,140 bed because the whole presentation of 1068 00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:42,359 her coming forward knowing that there 1069 00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,980 are alien beings on a cave here 1070 00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:45,359 somewhere on Earth 1071 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:47,400 but she's the only person that can go 1072 00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:49,380 and because of certain situations she 1073 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:50,700 wasn't allowed to take anyone to the 1074 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:51,720 cave 1075 00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,180 doing the Whole World Cup Tournament of 1076 00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,920 UFO Twitter to see who is going to get 1077 00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,839 to go with her which was really strange 1078 00:37:02,810 --> 00:36:59,520 in itself 1079 00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:02,820 um yeah all of that just destroyed any 1080 00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,119 credibility for if that was true it was 1081 00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:07,980 totally done the wrong way and you can 1082 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,619 see why even if people like Louella 1083 00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:12,660 zondo and but even let's use bubbles are 1084 00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:15,540 F his story is completely true why he 1085 00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:17,099 doesn't just come out and say all the 1086 00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,599 incredible stuff because look how it 1087 00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:20,579 sounds and look how it looks and look 1088 00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:22,020 what happens when things maybe do a 1089 00:37:24,170 --> 00:37:22,920 change 1090 00:37:25,790 --> 00:37:24,180 um so if anyone does have any questions 1091 00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:25,800 for John Ramirez he's on with me 1092 00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:28,200 tomorrow send them in um I'll be asking 1093 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:29,400 about that but I don't want to make the 1094 00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:31,200 whole podcast about the Anjali stuff 1095 00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:33,000 because I've I've said my piece on it 1096 00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:34,619 before and Dan I think you're very much 1097 00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,880 in agreement with me aren't you around 1098 00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:37,740 around that whole thing yeah yeah 1099 00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:39,240 absolutely this is an easy thing to 1100 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,880 clear up um I was surprised to hear you 1101 00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,400 know John kind of endorse this story and 1102 00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:46,020 and I'm curious to hear what he has to 1103 00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,099 say about it because I know he'll talk 1104 00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,960 to him about it because you know you can 1105 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,940 you can have local conversations with 1106 00:37:54,770 --> 00:37:52,560 people and I'm sure John will be up for 1107 00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:54,780 the discussion too John's also given out 1108 00:38:01,370 --> 00:37:58,440 the date of 2027 so yeah this this um 1109 00:38:02,450 --> 00:38:01,380 some I mean between John and Ross and 1110 00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,460 all these claims that people are making 1111 00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:04,800 there's certainly some 1112 00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:06,900 some short-term kind of recommends 1113 00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:08,940 coming in the future reckonings might be 1114 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,020 the wrong word but you know what I mean 1115 00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:12,000 like just we'll we'll know for sure 1116 00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:14,460 whether these people are you know a 1117 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,700 little indulging a little in certain 1118 00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,920 not clear truths or whether they know 1119 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:21,660 for sure you know unless things get 1120 00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,880 delayed unless things get delayed and 1121 00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,400 yeah bureaucracies this happens and and 1122 00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,079 I'm not one you know if it gets delayed 1123 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:30,240 I'm not just gonna call say say like oh 1124 00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:31,380 well it was nonsense then you know 1125 00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:33,180 delays happen 1126 00:38:37,130 --> 00:38:35,160 um but at the same time I want to hear 1127 00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:37,140 people talk about this you know 1128 00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:39,180 um I I saw on social media when John 1129 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,500 mentioned it that a lot of people kind 1130 00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:41,760 of just said I'm not listening to him 1131 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:43,740 anymore and it kind of annoyed me 1132 00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:45,000 because it's like you're not you know 1133 00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:46,380 I'm with the information if you're gonna 1134 00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:48,119 just cut off you know throw the baby out 1135 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,099 with the bathroom yeah so to speak 1136 00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:52,320 um I much prefer kind of the approach 1137 00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:54,240 the unite Tech you know hold it hold it 1138 00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:56,579 lightly take it seriously remember these 1139 00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:59,220 claims and and just talk about them and 1140 00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,660 we can make our own minds up and talk to 1141 00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:02,640 John about it you know and John says 1142 00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,619 himself quite openly a lot of it is 1143 00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:06,599 opinion and his opinion he's not 1144 00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:07,980 presenting fact 1145 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,079 all the time and that can be 1146 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,760 misconstrued can't and that that happens 1147 00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:14,400 and so John Ramirez is on and Stephen 1148 00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,900 Bassett will also be joining me this 1149 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:17,640 week as well and those interviews are 1150 00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,500 actually back to back tomorrow for me um 1151 00:39:23,089 --> 00:39:21,240 but they'll be released obviously apart 1152 00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:23,099 from each other is Stephen joining you 1153 00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:25,740 or are you joining him well yeah yeah 1154 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,140 it's a few questions in yeah I've got 1155 00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:29,760 both questions for Steven written out 1156 00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:33,240 yeah so uh Stephen disclosure advocate 1157 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:35,160 he has been on this in the subject in a 1158 00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:37,260 big way for many many decades now 1159 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:38,579 um and he's going to talk about you know 1160 00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:39,960 all the things that Stephen Bassett 1161 00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:41,640 talks about especially where the the 1162 00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:44,099 whole disclosure movement is in 2023 and 1163 00:39:47,630 --> 00:39:45,480 with all these claims people are making 1164 00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,640 what's his thoughts on it what are his 1165 00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,400 thoughts on Dr Sean Patrick Arrow 1166 00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,079 um Stephen Greer where he is right now 1167 00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:54,060 and uh he's got a new documentary coming 1168 00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:56,220 out or out I can't remember I think it 1169 00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:59,339 premiered uh at an event but yeah it's 1170 00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,619 I mean it's 99 of what the documentary 1171 00:40:05,329 --> 00:40:03,359 last year was right with a little kind 1172 00:40:08,589 --> 00:40:05,339 of updates from this year yeah with new 1173 00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,599 crying sorry sorry to the Stephen Curry 1174 00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:10,800 I would totally have him on just to 1175 00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,940 speak to him 1176 00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:13,800 um and then also Ron James who was the 1177 00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:15,900 director of accidental truth but to be 1178 00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:17,640 fair I've not watched it myself yet I'm 1179 00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:18,900 going to be watching but when I speak to 1180 00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:20,520 him but uh I've seen a lot of nice 1181 00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:22,020 comments about it some people less 1182 00:40:25,550 --> 00:40:24,240 interested but yeah it's got some of the 1183 00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:25,560 the Talking Heads you would expect and 1184 00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:28,140 whatnot involved and then also Darcy we 1185 00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,400 are back talking about his new 1186 00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,859 documentary fast Walkers after he was on 1187 00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:33,540 talking about secret Apollo missions 1188 00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:35,640 with his last month as well and that's 1189 00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:37,320 usually passionate about the UFO subject 1190 00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:39,000 as well so I'm sure that'll be an 1191 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,920 interesting one so get your questions in 1192 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:43,320 for those Graham Randall will still be 1193 00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:44,760 on with me this month apologies to 1194 00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:47,820 Graham directly and uh also Klaus is 1195 00:40:50,569 --> 00:40:49,140 going to be on that's been delayed 1196 00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,579 people are asking 1197 00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,500 um scheduling busy lives and then Dan 1198 00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,599 wanted in that one as well it's mostly 1199 00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:56,160 me right like I'll take the blame for 1200 00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,680 this one yeah I'm traveling and and the 1201 00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,480 schedules didn't quite line up but yeah 1202 00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:02,579 Cloud Sandy and I talk all the time so 1203 00:41:06,530 --> 00:41:05,400 we'll get that sorted 100 and yeah and 1204 00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:06,540 then already I'm looking at some of the 1205 00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:08,099 guests for June 1206 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:09,480 um should have I'll just say it now 1207 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,880 anyway should have Diana pasulka and 1208 00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,920 also Michael Masters coming on 1209 00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,780 um but I've not arranged solid dates 1210 00:41:19,790 --> 00:41:17,940 with them just yet so uh I'll get that 1211 00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:19,800 sorted out but it's only early May so 1212 00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:21,240 give me a chance 1213 00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:23,400 um Dan just to finish up a couple of 1214 00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,300 polls on Twitter I'd ask the question 1215 00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:30,540 um so I asked on Twitter we as a species 1216 00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:33,240 are contacted by an ET civilization each 1217 00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:35,220 of us get to ask and have one question 1218 00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:37,800 answered but it's only a yes or a no 1219 00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,619 what are you asking now I appreciate 1220 00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:42,480 everyone who commented and many of you 1221 00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,820 did I'd say about half of them went yes 1222 00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,800 or no questions so 1223 00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,480 um yeah that caused a lot of debate 1224 00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:50,520 between you open yourself up to trolls 1225 00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:51,960 straight away if you don't do that folks 1226 00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,300 so I had to leave you on that one 1227 00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,520 um top of the pile though Whitley 1228 00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,500 strieber commented former guest very 1229 00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,420 well known his question was are you 1230 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:02,400 alone so he was asking ET civilization 1231 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,700 are you alone 1232 00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:07,200 that's in interesting right given 1233 00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:09,240 Whitley's experiences and things like 1234 00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:11,820 that he he you know was famously shifted 1235 00:42:15,710 --> 00:42:13,980 from them being extraterrestrials to 1236 00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:15,720 something else to do with the afterlife 1237 00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,720 and yeah just hearing whether the aliens 1238 00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,240 have their or not aliens but the others 1239 00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:22,920 have their own mysteries in the universe 1240 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:23,940 or whether they're completely 1241 00:42:28,310 --> 00:42:26,220 knowledgeable about anything yeah it's 1242 00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:28,320 uh yeah it's curious to think about uh 1243 00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:30,540 Brennan asks does Consciousness continue 1244 00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:36,290 I was like yeah fair enough I mean 1245 00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:37,560 there's not much Point as I'm saying 1246 00:42:42,109 --> 00:42:40,260 unless are um there is also Laura uh 1247 00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,119 asked Duke if you love do you reproduce 1248 00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,359 as a motion a construct uh Bob finnamon 1249 00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,160 what took you so long 1250 00:42:49,609 --> 00:42:48,720 um I mean it's not a yes and I know but 1251 00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:49,619 I thought I'd read that one out 1252 00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:51,480 someone's asked can you see purple 1253 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,160 burglar alarm but I'm guessing that was 1254 00:43:00,290 --> 00:42:55,040 to the aliens their answer would be no 1255 00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,300 uh yeah for the Guardians fans out there 1256 00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:02,160 um and yeah there's a lot of interesting 1257 00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:03,300 questions on there so if you get a 1258 00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:05,339 chance jump on the thread and have a 1259 00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,540 look at those and you know what thanks 1260 00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:08,579 to anyone who put questions in because I 1261 00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:10,319 think there's enough there for a bonus 1262 00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:11,579 show at some point on just your 1263 00:43:16,910 --> 00:43:13,740 questions for Nat civilization getting 1264 00:43:18,290 --> 00:43:16,920 in touch uh Dan you put Paul as well it 1265 00:43:20,569 --> 00:43:18,300 was pretty one-sided to be honest you 1266 00:43:22,430 --> 00:43:20,579 want to go for that one yeah it was so 1267 00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:22,440 um I asked basically that if Senators 1268 00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:24,060 find out about old crash retrieval 1269 00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:25,740 programs and tell us they're not related 1270 00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,440 to anything not to do with us 1271 00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,000 um would you believe them because I'm 1272 00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:31,440 just curious you know we've spoken about 1273 00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:33,060 where that announcement will come from 1274 00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,400 how much people trust those people that 1275 00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,920 could potentially announce it and I mean 1276 00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,240 it was 1277 00:43:43,849 --> 00:43:41,400 18 of people said yes they would trust 1278 00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,859 them 82 of people said they wouldn't 1279 00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:45,599 which is yeah it's one eight two there 1280 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,460 but uh but yeah 1281 00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,680 um you you gotta wonder you know how how 1282 00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:50,880 do you 1283 00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:53,940 from a media and a PR perspective how 1284 00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,760 how does Arrow or gillibrand or any of 1285 00:44:00,290 --> 00:43:58,500 the other sentences how do they combat 1286 00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:00,300 something like that because it's clear 1287 00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:02,520 that just on this subject the the trust 1288 00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:04,560 is shot in any announcement that they 1289 00:44:08,170 --> 00:44:05,940 could possibly ask 1290 00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:08,180 so some of the responses oh go on sorry 1291 00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,640 do not just think in 2023 1292 00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:12,960 or we've talked about this I think 1293 00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:14,819 before as well that any kind of 1294 00:44:18,890 --> 00:44:16,800 conversation around UFOs from an 1295 00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:18,900 official point of view is always going 1296 00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,819 to have a huge lack of trust you know 1297 00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,560 they could literally reel out the bodies 1298 00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:24,480 on in a White House lawn and I think 1299 00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:27,480 people would be divided on it you know 1300 00:44:31,609 --> 00:44:29,880 yeah absolutely agree uh you know Jen 1301 00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,619 said I don't believe anything from DC 1302 00:44:35,710 --> 00:44:33,599 haha you know that was the kind of uh 1303 00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:35,720 the haha 1304 00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:38,880 yeah nice 1305 00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:40,680 um someone said maybe not for et but 1306 00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,119 they could have still retrieved some 1307 00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:43,920 cool Tech 1308 00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,859 um and then uh Carl says for no because 1309 00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,660 for 80 years the subject has been in a 1310 00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:50,760 constant state of contradiction EG 1311 00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,740 Kirkpatrick's recent stencil UFOs 1312 00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,200 despite dozens of witnesses uh stating 1313 00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:57,420 the exact opposite uh somebody's not 1314 00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,579 telling the truth and that that was kind 1315 00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:00,960 of the sentiment through most of the 1316 00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,579 replies you know 1317 00:45:06,650 --> 00:45:04,740 um the government plays games so 1318 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,660 unfortunately they seem to have lost the 1319 00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:08,520 lost the trust in this event 1320 00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:11,099 absolutely and even uh Jaden who I know 1321 00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:12,300 comics and a lot of stuff as well she 1322 00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:14,099 said no because after 76 years of 1323 00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:15,960 misdirection in the face of overwhelming 1324 00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,700 evidence I don't have faith in your 1325 00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,680 sincerity so that's that's a really fair 1326 00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:21,599 comment as well isn't it yeah absolutely 1327 00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:24,540 why should we believe you now like yeah 1328 00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:26,760 exactly and and I remember Tom dalan 1329 00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:28,260 when when he went you know to that 1330 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:29,880 Lockheed meeting to talk with them to 1331 00:45:34,010 --> 00:45:31,260 make his presentation about talking 1332 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:34,020 about this subject part of that was hey 1333 00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:35,880 people don't trust you you kind of need 1334 00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:37,740 to get this trust back and we can start 1335 00:45:42,349 --> 00:45:39,180 regaining trust by having this 1336 00:45:43,970 --> 00:45:42,359 conversation and it's almost tragic and 1337 00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,980 amusing to kind of see the arm wrestle 1338 00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,720 that's taken place since where you know 1339 00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:47,460 it seems like some people want to talk 1340 00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,660 about it from the government and other 1341 00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,400 ones just want to kind of bury under the 1342 00:45:55,609 --> 00:45:52,859 carpet uh they they need they need to 1343 00:45:57,470 --> 00:45:55,619 you know have a little Pow Wow and get 1344 00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,480 their ducks in a row I find no comment 1345 00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,040 from it though and a nice way I think to 1346 00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:00,720 wrap up as well just to bring things 1347 00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,240 back to all the with all the obfuscation 1348 00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:05,640 and as it isn't it you know what if it's 1349 00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,280 all nonsense what I say up stuff Bank 1350 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,720 were homemade devices with no alien 1351 00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:14,460 input and then it was there was no 1352 00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:17,579 non-human crash retrieval programs would 1353 00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,619 that kill the UFO topic stone cold dead 1354 00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:21,599 do you know what no it would it would it 1355 00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,880 would wind it but people like me people 1356 00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:25,740 like Udan anyone listening to this who's 1357 00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,359 ever had a sighting of something they 1358 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,800 can't explain 1359 00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,780 even forgetting my black triangle one 1360 00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:32,760 see I totally misidentified a small 1361 00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:34,619 aircraft right don't think I did but you 1362 00:46:41,870 --> 00:46:35,940 know just say 1363 00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:41,880 um I saw that language I saw uh on 1364 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,280 YouTube thanks yeah um and I'm leaving 1365 00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:46,980 for everyone else sorry 1366 00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:49,260 um I saw that Ferris wheel type object 1367 00:46:53,569 --> 00:46:50,760 on its side 1368 00:46:55,309 --> 00:46:53,579 that was not anything for any reason it 1369 00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:55,319 was a satellite you know it was down low 1370 00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,000 it was on the ground it was spinning on 1371 00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:59,280 its side a stupid angle ridiculously 1372 00:47:01,609 --> 00:47:00,839 fast there was no need for it to be 1373 00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,619 there 1374 00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,960 couldn't think what it would be you know 1375 00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,720 that that for me and people like me and 1376 00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:08,339 people like you is enough to go okay 1377 00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,020 there's still something out there though 1378 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,000 and that kind of is why we press on with 1379 00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:14,760 a conversation isn't it yeah 100 we've 1380 00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,440 always said that 1381 00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:18,359 no matter what they revealed there's 1382 00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:19,980 gonna be a lot of it's gonna be black 1383 00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:21,540 Tech a lot of it's going to be prosaic 1384 00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,740 but 1385 00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:25,260 you you and I have seen enough ourselves 1386 00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:28,020 to kind of go something else is present 1387 00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:29,460 are we going to have the conversation 1388 00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:31,140 about it you know and and it doesn't all 1389 00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:32,700 hinge on You know despite me wearing the 1390 00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:34,020 Nimitz hat here 1391 00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:35,460 um it doesn't hinge on the Nimitz it 1392 00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:36,780 doesn't hinge on those three videos 1393 00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:39,960 there's 70 80 years of History if you're 1394 00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:41,579 being conservative if you want to dive 1395 00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:42,960 into it we're talking centuries 1396 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,819 Millennia you know 1397 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,560 um like Gary Nolan said I can't remember 1398 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,000 what podcast it was the other day but 1399 00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:49,920 he's starting to suspect that this thing 1400 00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:52,140 has been here longer than us 1401 00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,300 um and that kind of implies one thing 1402 00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:56,400 but I I suspect it's many things you 1403 00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:58,859 know absolutely and anyway folks again 1404 00:48:01,309 --> 00:48:00,180 if you've had your own sightings what 1405 00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,319 not if you want to get involved then 1406 00:48:05,390 --> 00:48:03,240 let's not calling is very much long 1407 00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:05,400 overdue I did record one or two calls 1408 00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:07,200 back a few months ago and just due to a 1409 00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:08,819 time I've not had a chance to do any 1410 00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,740 more send me over if you're interested 1411 00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,660 coming on it's not live it's recorded 1412 00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,400 it's just a recorded conversation and 1413 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:15,839 then I put it together to make it sound 1414 00:48:21,010 --> 00:48:18,300 like an actual show 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